from Markus Langemann
Exactly two years ago I Dr. Hans-Georg Maaßen for an interview. Previously, through distanced observation, I had gained the impression that hardly any journalists dared to approach the former top civil servant and ex-President of the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution - without bias. It was journalistic curiosity about Hans-Georg Maassen as a person and the old school of listening after asking questions that gave rise to a new genre from the interview: the interview film.
The film realized with Rainer Spix as director see here. In all modesty, it is worth seeing.
On October 4, exactly two years after our film, I had arranged to meet Hans-Georg Maaßen for an interview over coffee at the Hotel Bayerischer Hof in Munich.
3.30 p.m., Lobby
My slight delay made its way through the unbearable traffic chaos in the former secret capital. Plenty of time to ponder the pointless waste of life, even behind the steering wheels of stationary cars, while smoking tobacco. I think I came to the conclusion that there would be a lot less going on on the roads if only cash-paying cars were allowed on them.
15 minutes late stop in front of the building at Promenadeplatz 2, where the world-renowned Munich Security Conference is held every year.
A good place to meet the man who, after our first meeting, struck me as a value-conservative political head with a liberal mind; a place where you can confer over two pots of coffee. About the securities and certainties that people in Germany are currently losing. My idea: let this unagitated man take a medical history of an ailing German society.
So, with a hearty handshake, I meet a tidy lawyer who accepts my delay in a calm and friendly manner. We exchange a few sentences, a strange, elegantly dressed woman enters, has recognized Maaßen, apologizes for the interruption, shakes Maaßen's hand, encourages him for his courage, his public political work. She is something of a fan. "Please keep up the good work," she says kindly.
I'm surprised and catch myself contemplating my own thoughts, even as we walk up the stairs to the lobby mezzanine level, which tell me that I can't imagine such voluntary and friendly expressions of sympathy from Olaf Scholz, Robert Habeck or Christian Lindner, far removed from the cheerleaders on display. "Please keep up the good work" my ass.
We retire to a cozy corner and order coffee. The murmur of voices from hotel guests in the background.
Maaßen will speak clear sentences in the following hour. Unagitated, far removed from the usual patterns of sentence and thought, I see before me a concerned man from the Berlin business.
"The CDU is still not taking on the role of the opposition."
"In terms of foreign policy, Germany is a dwarf because a Federal Chancellor doesn't have the courage or the strength to stand up to President Biden."
"If other countries realize that our government is not prepared to represent our German interests, then we should not be surprised if others are willing to help themselves to us."
"What the German government and the parties involved are doing here is creeping Germany into a war."
"The demarcation of opinion takes place almost professionally in our society today."
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...it irritates me that the political line, which clearly positions itself against a "socio-ecological climate dictatorship", is now more or less on Putin's dictatorship side, whereas those who are accused of socialist subversion are clearly committed to Ukraine and liberal structures...
Conclusion: they exist in every camp: the people who do not understand and allow freedom as that of those who think differently - and thus leave the ground of democracy...the border - and probably also the subversive activity - does not run parallel to the party borders.
The social-ecological dictatorship is an invention of the Club of Rome, which represents economic interests and is one of the NGOs that Mr. X passed on to Mr. Langemann over a year ago.
You can find it here:
https://clubderklarenworte.de/wp-content/uploads/2021/09/Netzwerkanalyse-Corona-Komplex.pdf
Then Putin is not a dictator but the President of the Russian Federation. Russia is also not a country with a dictatorship but a sovereign country, which cannot be said of Germany.
Then socialism (GDR) is another form of National Socialism. And neither has anything to do with communism.
Communism is an idea that has only ever existed in embryonic form. Comparable perhaps with Lenism.
Anyone who doesn't know all this probably only had singing and clapping in history lessons.
Line B of Nordstream 2 is not defective and could supply gas immediately, and as far as I understand, P is also ready?
However, it is more likely to be as Prof. Hudson says in his interview
Source: https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/michael-hudson-roadmap-escape-wests-stranglehold
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"The Cradle: What is your analysis on Gazprom confirming Line B of the Nord Stream 2 was not touched by Pipeline Terror? This means Nord Stream 2 is practically ready to go - with a capacity to pump 27.5 billion cubic meters of gas a year, which happens to be half of the total capacity of - damaged - Nord Stream. So Germany is not doomed. This opens a whole new chapter; a solution will depend on a serious political decision by the German government.
Hudson: "Here's the kicker: Russia certainly won't bear the cost again, only to have the pipeline blown up. It will be up to Germany. I bet the current regime says "No." That should make for an interesting rise of the alternative parties.
The ultimate problem is that the only way Germany can restore trade with Russia is to withdraw from NATO, realizing that it is the major victim of NATO's war. This could only succeed by spreading to Italy, and also to Greece (for not protecting it against Turkey, ever since Cyprus). That looks like a long fight.
Maybe it's easier just for German industry to pack up and move to Russia to help modernize its industrial production, especially BASF for chemistry, Siemens for engineering, etc.. If German companies relocate to the US to get gas, this will be perceived as a US raid on German industry, capturing its lead for the US. Even so, this won't succeed, given America's post-industrialized economy.
So German industry can only move eastward if it creates its own political party as a nationalistic anti-NATO party. The EU constitution would require Germany to withdraw from the EU, which puts NATO interests first at the federal level. The next scenario is to discuss Germany's entry into the SCO. Let's take bets as to how long that will take."
Funnily enough, at the very beginning of 2020, my young and intellectual piano teacher at the time thought he recognized that it was not a "conspiracy theory", but a conspiracy. And he told me the names of the protagonists who are now on everyone's lips. At the time, I still had doubts about his assessments.......
First of all: An interesting interview and I would agree with Mr. Maassen on almost all points.
But: The solution to a problem is not achieved by combating its symptoms. You have to deal explicitly with the causes and we are still miles away from that and that is what worries me.
While we continue to marvel at the incompetence and/or irrationality of the ruling actors, on both sides of the pond, the actors are all acting in a very coordinated and targeted manner. To see this, however, you have to be aware of the cause, which consists of three letters: WEF. If you want to take it even further, it's about the digital-industrial complex and a great deal of power. All or at least most of the players are connected to the WEF in some way and if you look at its agenda, you quickly come to the realization that everything that is happening now suddenly makes sense, because it is about a phenomenon that is known to many, but completely underestimated by most: The great transformation.
By the time this has finally sunk in, by the time the alternative media take up this matter seriously and permanently instead of constantly ranting about how and why the actors involved are so incompetent, it will in all probability be too late to do anything meaningful about it.
In the end, we own nothing, are slaves to the system and are guaranteed NOT to be happy.
Best regards,
Martin
I fully agree, even if that means that yesterday we were on the brink, today we are further along.
Absolutely correct!
Causes recognized, but what next???
I agree with you there. From my own perspective, however, what is happening is largely what has already been communicated in the mass media. Russia and China left the international monetary union in January 2021! Which is what happened to the WEF with Klaus Schwab, who is also just a Rothschild descendant (mother is a Rothschild) of a now gigantic and planet-spanning banking empire.
China is planning its own Great Reset. Russia and other countries want a multipolar world order and not a unipolar one.
The New World Order (a nonsense from the USA) already says what it is. New World = America. Old World = Europe.
This whole stunt only worked for so long and only continued in Germany because Merkel, Baerbock, Kubicki and many other young global leaders or global leaders (Merkel) were/are. Whereby the former Federal Chancellor played a role of her own. Just like President Putin.
All you have to do is read Putin's CV and study the history of Russia.
And also with the history of their own country.
WHO financed WWI and WWII?
What were WWI and WW II about? The USA (America with banks - primarily Warburg bankers/Warburg banking line/founder of the Federal Reserve) together with the old mother colonial power Great Britain did not want an alliance between Germany and Russia. To this day they regard this alliance as a danger to their imperialist posturing. Although! China has long been the world's economic power and the USA is completely broke and bankrupt.
The Greens, together with the WEF and other warmongers (the military-economic complex), are now trying to "manage" US foreign policy so that the poker brothers overseas don't see their house of cards collapse.
The company Apple Inc., which a well-known business journalist and financial expert always likes to associate with this, will not participate in this digital surveillance fantasy and robotic transhumanism. Neither will many others in the IT sector.
But it is precisely these people who need these idiots (you can't call them anything else) so that they can realize their plans.
When Corona started, it was the IT industry that stood up first. Alongside the devout Christians of the free churches.
Even the attempt to instigate a so-called "hacker war" was thwarted. On the part of IT!
The problem this country has is the population itself.
She doesn't understand democracy. She is not interested in politics, doesn't want to deal with anything and wants to be comfortable. Let the others do it, then you can blame them if something goes wrong.
Instead of standing up and complaining, you go along with it and fight your neighbor, friend, life partner and even kill your family members out of sheer obedience to the authorities by forcing them to take an injection from which more and more die and fall seriously ill.
While all others who have not participated in this crime are not even remotely insulted and fought against to date, as conspiracy theorists, right-wing extremists, corona deniers and has not seen...
The whole thing is now continuing with Ukraine. The population is donating massive amounts of money to a Kreig party that is waging war against Russia (apparently for refugees), but they all came into the country and were immediately incorporated into our welfare system without any proof.
Then there is the story of the gas from Russia, which we have been receiving for over 50 years.
The fact that there has also been an energy war against Russia in Ukraine for years has also gone largely unnoticed.
Because many people in this country don't notice anything at all.
You think that if you look at ONE alternative medium, you know THE ONE truth.
But there is just as little ONE truth as there is ONE opinion that everyone should have.
The only question is which ones.
Two years ago, many of us were already wondering how politicians were going to get out of this coronavirus situation.
The answer was quite simple: not at all!
It is even supported by the population.
As long as the stupidest person does not understand that "left" and "right" are political camps and that the civilian and citizen is the voter and not a political construct, Germany will continue to dismantle itself.
ALWAYS remember that Germany was solely to blame back then!
Not the other way around! And it wasn't aimed at the Wehrmacht either. They had surrendered!
But the population. Because they didn't do anything but stand by and let it happen, which is described as a "crime against humanity!"
Or even genocide!
Now everyone is upset that there is a new article in the StGb. But it refers to genocide within the country, i.e. Germany. Not abroad! And it addresses precisely those who live in our country and deny genocide.
I have also encountered such deniers in my life.
The difference to me is that my grandparents and great-grandparents were contemporary witnesses and resisted the Nazis as long as they could.
They were always afraid that their neighbor would defame them. And so they began to write - the following words hidden between the lines:
"The deportations have begun and what is happening here cannot be atoned for even with death!"
Many greetings to everyone who reads along from an extreme right-wing conspiracy theorist, eco-fascist, corona denier, covidiot, lunatic and mentally disturbed person and however many names I've been called in the meantime. Because you're not even capable of thinking logically!
As much as I appreciate Mr. Maaßen for his calmness, sentences like "It still went well" are famous last words. Where I can agree with him without hesitation are insights such as "You can't take falling on your nose away from anyone." Only this time the fall is bigger and the head follows the belly landing. In the foreground, we are currently being torn between two hegemons/power blocs. This once envied country and its people will go down in history as a cautionary tale. People will say: "Do you want to end up like the Germans?".
...it's Putin who immediately and brutally put forward the idea of a "military special operation" - which is a brutal war.
by returning illegally annexed territories. And it is Putin who wants to wage war.
What security guarantees must Russia be given in order for it to abandon the imperial idea of attacking and annexing foreign territory?
When the Americans attacked Iraq, the public only got pictures of high-precision weapons - but none of the target area destroyed by them. You have to realize that every war brings death and destruction above all else and that every dead person clenches their fists in at least ten other pockets of survivors...
(!) stop it immediately (!), it must be said from all channels...
my tip:
Please find out about the history in depth and in context and don't just skim the topping,
what we (should) see today.
I can only heartily recommend that you do so before you make such butchery comments here, which are devoid of any historical context,
political, personal and human context.
Plan not just a few weeks, but a few months to understand contexts that with God's power will also bring him some peace into your heart, unfortunately we can't change everything, but our own enlightenment is a fetching debt. And leave the mainstream media out of it, do your own research and think for yourself, that is a skill that should remain with us.
Dear Mr. Langemann,
Thank you very much for this interview. Thanks also to Dr. Maaßen.
Have a nice weekend
Best regards
Bernd Kollberg
...Thank you Mr. Langemann and Dr. Maaßen...it is a distanced, sober analysis that radiates little optimism...the gods have placed the diagnosis before the therapy...you can just see the tip of the more than 30-year-old iceberg of socio-political undesirable developments that have been noticed but never corrected in the course of setting the course - the pressure of suffering must first become great enough, otherwise people are too comfortable...only that the antidote must be dosed much higher, the more there is to compensate - and also the longer you wait. The parachute that won't open: "8, 7, 4, 2, 1 - now we can jump..." 200 billion in debt here, 200 billion in debt and liability risks there - distributed like carnival fudge...it's all just (non-existent) taxpayers' money...but the state will sort it out...
The "big players" won't quarrel on their own territory - the arena will be ours. Before that, German society will be softened up by both sides...it gives me the creeps.
my tip:
Please find out about the history in depth and in context and don't just skim the topping,
what we (should) see today.
I can only heartily recommend that you do so before you make such butchery comments here, which are devoid of any historical context,
political, personal and human context.
Plan not just a few weeks, but a few months to understand contexts that with God's power will also bring him some peace into your heart, unfortunately we can't change everything, but our own enlightenment is a fetching debt. And leave the mainstream media out of it, do your own research and think for yourself, that is a skill that should remain with us.
Somehow it has always gone well. Yes, it has, but Mr. Maaßen is expecting a rough belly landing first. The FRG undoubtedly has the federal government it deserves. The extensive loss of a sense of reality leaves me speechless from time to time. We will probably only get out of this if our noses get stuck right in the mud and everyone finally realizes that something is seriously rotten in our beloved community. Reality has to catch up with us, that's exactly what's happening to us right now. In a figurative sense, there will be women in the rubble again, but this time hopefully the men will stay alive and be able to help out. We have to rebuild our country after zero hour, perhaps we will regain cohesion and community after decades of "me first" and "faster and faster and further and further". Ultimately, I believe there is no reason not to be confident.
Hans-Georg Maaßen is right when he says that some would push the steering stick even further forward even in a nosedive: see today's WELT report: "Selenskyj irritates with call for Nato "pre-emptive strike", Russia reacts sharply" (https://www.welt.de/politik/ausland/article241463085/Ukraine-Krieg-Selenskyj-irritiert-mit-Forderung-nach-Praeventivschlag-der-Nato-Russland-reagiert-scharf.html). It is utterly incomprehensible how an FDP leader in the middle of life can give a politician like Agnes Strack-Zimmermann a free hand to fuel this conflict further and further in intimate unity with the ÖRR instead of rigorously excluding her from the FDP board. The same applies to the Greens' foreign minister, Annalena Baerbock, who couldn't care less about the fate of the Germans when it comes to supporting the Ukrainian warmonger Selensky. Even Joe Biden seems to be getting increasingly uneasy about the matter or has long since slipped out of his hands. It is time for Olaf Scholz and the EU to recognize that this is indeed a purely Russian-Ukrainian conflict, but one that increasingly has the deadly potential to drag us all into the abyss of a third world war. Unfortunately, neither Chancellor Scholz nor EU Commission President Ursula von der Leyen have the stature of power politician and former German Chancellor Gerhard Schröder, who I would have thought capable of banging the table in Moscow, Washington and Kiev at the same time to make the vodka and whisky glasses jump up and finally call for political common sense instead of constant military escalation.
If the ÖRR continues to insist on its destructive role in our society, whereby Hans-Georg Maaßen was probably one of the first and most prominent but certainly not the last victim of the public broadcasters' disinformation policy, we would all be well served to stop paying the broadcasting fee out of healthy self-interest or survival instinct. Nobody can force us to finance propaganda for our own collective suicide.
P.S.: Sometimes it is a curse to be right again and again: see my comments of the past weeks here in the CdkW
On this occasion, a little reality check that fits into the overall picture. Yesterday I walked past a medical supplies store. "Medical masks" were advertised on the window, FFP2 so-and-so euros, others so-and-so much and so on. I went in and asked the medical supplies saleswoman why an FFP2 mask was being sold as a "medical" mask when the packaging, although very small, still said in bold print: "Exclusively for non-medical use"... After a moment's thought, the answer: "I hadn't even noticed that yet, I hadn't even bothered..."
I think that's exactly the point, also in many other areas.
If the FFP2 mask were a medical device, the people who prescribed its use millions of times would have had to carry out extensive validations. I immediately pointed this out to the RKI at the beginning of this crisis and also pointed out that there were massive concerns. The RKI said at the time that they were not responsible....
The fact that the masks are very much a medical product and that the lawyers across the pond know this can be seen from the fact that the FDA/medical product has two special approval numbers for these masks. However, there can only be one approval number for MPs.
It is inexplicable to me how you can expose millions of people to a massive health risk - especially the elderly and children - and not immediately put together a team to check and validate the matter!
How you can justify not doing this for years is a mystery to me. Nothing was justified anyway.
"... if only cars paid for in cash ..."
Is that still allowed? Maybe for small used cars ...
A very nice, unagitated interview between two intelligent interview partners that lacks nothing in terms of intellectual clarity and openness. It hits the bull's eye. Thank you very much.
The fact that we are at "war" and in a "nosedive" is a clear statement. The situation is always deeply shocking. Incompetence and ideology: each in itself has a destructive effect, both together are catastrophic. For me, it is a satanic idea that is taking place here in the real world. But the masses agree, remain silent. Paralyzed, sedated, hypnotized by the snake: "Trust me!"
Thank you very much for the very good, calm interview, Mr. Langemann!
Good interview. Maaßen remains very correct and analyzes the situation coolly.
An important point: no German politician is currently in a position to even begin to counter the outrageousness of the Biden administration - and certainly not Scholz. This may also have something to do with the fact that Germany has no support in the EU. Its dominance during the financial crisis has left its mark. German money and guarantees are accepted, but that's it. The Paris-Berlin axis no longer works properly. The Eastern Europeans are articulating their interests more clearly than before. Germany is at a loss in Europe with NS1+2. Also because Merkel has failed to present it as a European project. The Greens in the government are exacerbating Germany's problems because it is clear to everyone that with them Germany is a weak partner that anyone can push around. See Poland with its current demand for reparations. Perhaps the Americans have put a little pressure on them...
Germany is slipping into the status of a warring party in the Ukraine war without this situation being addressed by the parties and the media. You have to imagine that even in 1914, the parliament voted on the entry into the war. Today, the media manages to fool people into believing that Putin is the monster and that the West's arms deliveries are somehow irrelevant. Politicians like Strack-Zimmermann are unabashedly calling for even more war against Russia on talk shows. And this only 70 years after Russia helped to liberate Europe from the Nazi dictatorship with 20 million deaths.
The country is sinking, economically, infrastructurally, scientifically, artistically, etc. But there is no one on deck of the Titanic who could help the captain. Everyone is only concerned with their career, their advancement, their job, their vacation. The top 40 % don't care because their wealth and income are sufficient to survive the crisis for the time being. So life goes on as usual, Oktoberfest, vacations in Greece, new car... The orphans are other people, unfortunate, but they can't be changed...
Then comes the question of cognitive dissonance: why is the situation so serious and nobody wants to see it? Perhaps in private? But not publicly. See above for the answer...
In my opinion, the answer to the last question is very simple, and the same in all major existential crises: the middle classes, the center of society, are at all times and in all systems, adaptable and willing to the bitter end. It is the wimpy, immobile bourgeoisie that lets everything drift and always hopes for the best. Tellkamp's TURM comes to mind: how nice and bourgeois the inhabitants of the Sonnleite in Dresden made themselves at home in their nest in GDR times. How sycophantically and conformist they acted around their chief physician. Living a lie. Privately and politically.
Nobody says the emperor is naked! And anyone who does anyway will be taken down. P.S.: In the last thirty years, we have lost two federal presidents, two Bundesbank presidents and a head of the Federal Office for the Protection of the Constitution in this way. Does anyone care?
Thank you for your comment - that's exactly how I see it.
And many thanks to Mr. Langemann for the short but intensive interview and for allowing Dr. Maaßen to make a statement.
Every day I am shocked anew by the patheticness of the mainstream media, which ignore and defame such a voice.
Not everything is in a nosedive. Reports such as this one from the Berliner Zeitung and this one even distributed by Microsoft News give hope, as there is obviously still something like sincerity and honesty or the courage to tell the truth in the press and media: "Exclusive - Jeffrey Sachs in conversation: This is probably why Nord Stream was destroyed"
(s. https://www.msn.com/de-de/finanzen/top-stories/exklusiv-jeffrey-sachs-im-gespr%C3%A4ch-aus-diesem-grund-wurde-nord-stream-wohl-zerst%C3%B6rt/ar-AA12DIgZ?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=ad6386db78c84e3eb344f845bba8133d)
Thank you for the interview, but Mr. Langemann: "if only cash-paying cars were allowed on them", i.e. the mob is allowed to drive buses, that fits the location a little too well. Mr. Maaßen will perhaps be a man of transition, and if he really is as level-headed as he pretends to be, that might not be the worst thing.
But: "The CDU is still not taking on the role of the opposition" sounds as if the CDU had taken on the role of government until last year. Many of the things that are now collapsing over our heads - the energy transition, the surveillance state, the rotting of all infrastructure with PPPs, the sell-out of national interests to supranational organizations - didn't just start two years ago, even at a time when Maaßen was in office. The fact that Maaßen is no longer distancing himself from the CDU is surely also due to the fact that he needs existing structures for a transition. But will anything really improve afterwards?
A wonderful interview! Thank you very much for it!
Mr. Langemann,
Thank you very much for the clear and calm interview with Mr. Maaßen.
Dear Mr. Langemann, thank you very much for this interview with Hans-Georg Maaßen, which is really worth listening to. It is simply good to hear the views of this (last remaining...) sensible man from the federal political arena. As he very rightly described the huge gaping hole of a perceptible opposition in our republic ... both under the Merkel government, not to mention the current one, there is no light in the tunnel that would allow even the glimmer of a hope of a change in this now crystalline lethargy of political self-confidence.
It's also good to hear synergies from shared perspectives from these experts, because at the moment you feel downright lonely when you want to share opinions and global political views with your personal environment in the neighborhood or at work. You feel downright isolated if you want to share your opinions and global political views with your personal environment in the neighborhood or at work.
It is downright frightening how carefree our people are, caught up in the Stockholm syndrome, ... the main thing is that there is still toilet paper, fizzy beer ... something from the barbecue counter ... and on Saturday there is soccer on SKY again; ... because ... 'WE can't change anything' ... is the best and most crisis-proof excuse with which most people continue to narcotize themselves in permanent hypnosis. Thank you also for sharing your thoughts as you linger in the once again very slow-moving daily traffic, ... especially with the perception "that there would be much less going on on the roads if only cash-paying cars were allowed on them." ... you spoke from the bottom of my heart....! However, that would hit our car industry a lot harder than just the current supply bottlenecks for chips ... 😉
That was once again very interesting. Mr. Maaßen gets to the heart of the matter clearly if you ask him the right questions and all in all, as very rightly noted, all in a very unagitated manner.
I listen to Mr. Maaßen in this interview. He doesn't play the role of victim, even though he is being vilified in the worst possible way. He doesn't moan, he seems tidy. He doesn't moan, he analyzes things soberly.
I am listening to a Mr. Habeck. He seems panicked and warns of a smouldering and widespread fire in the German economy. He whines about how busy his ministry is and that his employees are burnt out. He whines to a Spiegel reporter that he can't even get to the shops and has been spooning his muesli with water instead of milk for the past week. He flirts with the fact that he doesn't have time to spend the money he earns at the moment. Blind to his own responsibility, Habeck takes on the role of victim. The Russian is to blame, the previous government is to blame, the circumstances are to blame. Nevertheless, the media cheer him on.
Something is wrong.
It's going wrong because many people are going just as wrong!!! You know how it is, you resonate, you understand, someone who pretends to be down is not kicked. But nobody sees that the fuse down there is being kept burning by this whiner, because nobody likes to look into the abyss that already lies ahead of us.